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Durandal
post Dec 21 2007, 05:14 PM
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I've recently heard that certain people apparently aren't liking it that RMVXnet appears to support the idea of making an illegal crack of the trial version of RPG Maker VX Trial and probably the full thing once it comes out.

It first started when someone released a simple mod that altered the Japanese Text to English.

It has always been my belief that whenever necessary one should lean the rules just a little in support of the act of creation. The extent of this lean as witnessed here is that RMVXnet is tolerating the text-conversion mod. We will continue to do so, but only because it's simply allowing people to understand the trial program a little better because it's in their own freakin' language. However, there is a limit to how much will be tolerated.

Until further notice, the limitation-removing crack is banned.

The line (also known as the rubicon) was crossed when the nature of the program was intrinsically changed in a major way. (Merely changing the displayed language doesn't count as "major") The people that made the limitations-removing crack hacked the program beyond acceptable tolerances, resulting in it no longer qualifying as a mere "mod", but a full-blown software "crack".

I shouldn't really have to justify this. The board rules state that posting or posting links to "cracks" is illegal under the "No posting illegal materials" rule.

That is all... for now.

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post Dec 21 2007, 05:19 PM
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I knew that this would happen. Removing the limitation is against the nature of the trial, i thought that you would let it be for the time being till the release of VX but it's your choice... Anyway, it's not like the world end here cause we might also wait for the full version to properly use the soft.

(I know lot of people who will get mad for this.)


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post Dec 21 2007, 06:46 PM
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It doesn't matter, as long as a some people get use out of it, I'm happy.


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post Dec 21 2007, 09:54 PM
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If you don't mine me asking why was the tutorial I posted removed? It wasin't the slightest bit illegal.


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post Dec 21 2007, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE (Elemental Crisis @ Dec 21 2007, 03:28 PM) *
If you don't mine me asking why was the tutorial I posted removed? It wasin't the slightest bit illegal.

It required (or at least recommended) using the limit-remover crack. The thread is still there, it's just invisible. I'll look over it and put it back in public if it's simply a matter of editting that out.


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Alright cool, thank you.

Just to clear it, at one point the tutorial splits for people who use the loader and for people who don't.


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post Dec 23 2007, 01:19 AM
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IT WAS NOT A HACK! It was the same as freezing your life points in a game. It froze the map and event totals so you can be more CREATIVE! The hack was the english mod! Allow one mod allow them all! Which this didn't modify anything! I for one am extremely angry over this. I went this route and didn't release my mod as it modified the exe file which allowed for the full thing as that would probably caused a lot of drama I thought this was more fair and would have been more accepted so I just helped push this instead. I am not trying to justify illegal actions but it is just a friggen demo! I like many others will purchase the full English AND Japanese version as I love the thing so much. It did not cross any lines infact it didn't even come close to translating it as that actually modified files and broke the eula. This did however not break any copyright laws.

If you don't mine me asking why was the tutorial I posted removed? It wasin't the slightest bit illegal.
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post Dec 23 2007, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE (rabbitnightmare @ Dec 22 2007, 04:53 PM) *
IT WAS NOT A HACK! It was the same as freezing your life points in a game. It froze the map and event totals so you can be more CREATIVE! The hack was the english mod! Allow one mod allow them all! Which this didn't modify anything! I for one am extremely angry over this. I went this route and didn't release my mod as it modified the exe file which allowed for the full thing as that would probably caused a lot of drama I thought this was more fair and would have been more accepted so I just helped push this instead. I am not trying to justify illegal actions but it is just a friggen demo! I like many others will purchase the full English AND Japanese version as I love the thing so much. It did not cross any lines infact it didn't even come close to translating it as that actually modified files and broke the eula. This did however not break any copyright laws.

They just like allowing 'good illegal' things rolleyes.gif


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post Dec 23 2007, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (Hyperlisk @ Dec 22 2007, 08:32 PM) *
They just like allowing 'good illegal' things rolleyes.gif

Yet everyone keeps asking for the loader calling it a crack. This is the same mentality that rmxp.org had. It starts with this then when people come using the illegal version we publicly flog them for using it. It was also stated when the legal japanese version came out that this would be taken down and not supported anymore. This was to make it so you can make some cool stuff and start on your game. Yall's loss though. No it crossed no lines as we edited no files. By the way loading games is now supported by the loader.


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post Dec 24 2007, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (rabbitnightmare @ Dec 23 2007, 02:38 PM) *
Yet everyone keeps asking for the loader calling it a crack. This is the same mentality that rmxp.org had. It starts with this then when people come using the illegal version we publicly flog them for using it. It was also stated when the legal japanese version came out that this would be taken down and not supported anymore. This was to make it so you can make some cool stuff and start on your game. Yall's loss though. No it crossed no lines as we edited no files. By the way loading games is now supported by the loader.

I posted a modified loader here that only enable loading.


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post Dec 30 2007, 11:22 PM
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So someone did manage to pull it off? I saw the Text Changing MOD released a few days back on another RM site, but they are now working on a full crack of it...and we aren't even in the new year yet sad.gif

Why on earth can't they just wait for the legal version to get out, and buy it, just like the rest of us....

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post Dec 31 2007, 08:54 AM
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@Tayuke: They just can't wait... simple as it seems and since they have the ability to crack then they thought "why not?". I knew from the beginning that VX will be cracked within one week of it's initial release and it prove to be true.


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post Dec 31 2007, 08:58 AM
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I don't even think there games will a sucess...and I seriously see no point of making such a Crack! What are they going to get out of it, even if they do get a game fully released and finished..

I'll tell ya: Alot of legal probelms wink.gif

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post Dec 31 2007, 09:02 AM
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I don't see what kind of legal problem they will get specially if you use Keygen instead of crack; i think that eng VX will have a Keygen instead of a crack because the system will be more or less the same as XP.


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