I've recently heard that certain people apparently aren't liking it that RMVXnet appears to support the idea of making an illegal crack of the trial version of RPG Maker VX Trial and probably the full thing once it comes out.

It first started when someone released a simple mod that altered the Japanese Text to English.

It has always been my belief that whenever necessary one should lean the rules just a little in support of the act of creation. The extent of this lean as witnessed here is that RMVXnet is tolerating the text-conversion mod. We will continue to do so, but only because it's simply allowing people to understand the trial program a little better because it's in their own freakin' language. However, there is a limit to how much will be tolerated.


The line (also known as the rubicon) was crossed when the nature of the program was intrinsically changed in a major way. (Merely changing the displayed language doesn't count as "major") The people that made the limitations-removing crack hacked the program beyond acceptable tolerances, resulting in it no longer qualifying as a mere "mod", but a full-blown software "crack".

I shouldn't really have to justify this. The board rules state that posting or posting links to "cracks" is illegal under the "No posting illegal materials" rule.

That is all... for now.

If you want to debate the issue with me, I'll be in the chatroom.

I knew that this would happen. Removing the limitation is against the nature of the trial, i thought that you would let it be for the time being till the release of VX but it's your choice... Anyway, it's not like the world end here cause we might also wait for the full version to properly use the soft.

(I know lot of people who will get mad for this.)

It doesn't matter, as long as a some people get use out of it, I'm happy.

If you don't mine me asking why was the tutorial I posted removed? It wasin't the slightest bit illegal.

It required (or at least recommended) using the limit-remover crack. The thread is still there, it's just invisible. I'll look over it and put it back in public if it's simply a matter of editting that out.

Alright cool, thank you.

Just to clear it, at one point the tutorial splits for people who use the loader and for people who don't.

IT WAS NOT A HACK! It was the same as freezing your life points in a game. It froze the map and event totals so you can be more CREATIVE! The hack was the english mod! Allow one mod allow them all! Which this didn't modify anything! I for one am extremely angry over this. I went this route and didn't release my mod as it modified the exe file which allowed for the full thing as that would probably caused a lot of drama I thought this was more fair and would have been more accepted so I just helped push this instead. I am not trying to justify illegal actions but it is just a friggen demo! I like many others will purchase the full English AND Japanese version as I love the thing so much. It did not cross any lines infact it didn't even come close to translating it as that actually modified files and broke the eula. This did however not break any copyright laws.

If you don't mine me asking why was the tutorial I posted removed? It wasin't the slightest bit illegal.
What one I was not here for holiday stuff?

They just like allowing 'good illegal' things

Yet everyone keeps asking for the loader calling it a crack. This is the same mentality that rmxp.org had. It starts with this then when people come using the illegal version we publicly flog them for using it. It was also stated when the legal japanese version came out that this would be taken down and not supported anymore. This was to make it so you can make some cool stuff and start on your game. Yall's loss though. No it crossed no lines as we edited no files. By the way loading games is now supported by the loader.

I posted a modified loader here that only enable loading.

So someone did manage to pull it off? I saw the Text Changing MOD released a few days back on another RM site, but they are now working on a full crack of it...and we aren't even in the new year yet

Why on earth can't they just wait for the legal version to get out, and buy it, just like the rest of us....

-Tay

@Tayuke: They just can't wait... simple as it seems and since they have the ability to crack then they thought "why not?". I knew from the beginning that VX will be cracked within one week of it's initial release and it prove to be true.

I don't even think there games will a sucess...and I seriously see no point of making such a Crack! What are they going to get out of it, even if they do get a game fully released and finished..

I'll tell ya: Alot of legal probelms

-Tay

I don't see what kind of legal problem they will get specially if you use Keygen instead of crack; i think that eng VX will have a Keygen instead of a crack because the system will be more or less the same as XP.

Well, it also then depends on if we can tell wither a person is using a legal version or not...and then, if they try to sell there game...which would just be low.

But, as I said before: The people who made this crack, I don't think will even make a fully finished game,!

-Tay

OH! You were refering to the cracker! I thought you were saying that people who use crack would not be able to complete their game. Anyway, it's true that a cracker would rather crack another aps rather than sticking and using the aps he/she cracked.

...that last post just totally confused me :? I think we both now are, so let's just end it here Agreed?

-Tay

Now am more confused with your post after reading the above post... Ok, i agree with you(for whatever reason ).

Well, VX actually uses online activation, so I don't think a keygen would work. The cracked program would either use a loader, or just give you the cracked EXE. I think the loader would be most likely as it would be a smaller release, but who knows... A cracked EXE would just be better...


I never finish any games... I just use RPG Makers when I'm bored...


Definitely

If memory serve, XP also use online activation. I have do some "test" and i can tell that keygen works and is not detectable!

It used to be illegal versions were all you could use of RPGMaker, way back when I used to use them with RPGMaker 2000 and 2003. With this much popularity built up with all those RPGMaker 2000 communities, I applaud EnterBrain for making it freely available through their website in English so that we don't have to do this anymore.

I don't think I was ever really that serious with using RPGMaker 2000 since every game made with it was nearly the same in terms of gameplay and if you're going to use all those weird custom menus and battle system events you might as well learn how to write in a real programming language since it takes the same effort and skill.

I think it's a great tool for those to get a feel of how making an RPG is like. You may or may not realize this, but creating a real RPG is very closely the same as using RPGMaker to create one. My own project, WeaponSoul, may be written in C++, but I will still draw up the maps, and place the events. The only difference between what I'm doing and what you would do with RPGMaker is the fact I'm having to write my own "RPGMaker", and through using these RPGMakers hopefully others will find out they love it and move on to stronger languages and ways of game development.

In any case at this point, there isn't that "Relative Moral Principle" you can use with RPG Maker 2000/2003 anymore since the product is freely available from Enterbrain, so there isn't any sort of logical reasoning that anyone can make for pirating/cracking the software anymore.

I'm at the verge of halting WeaponSoul simply because I just feel like programming for the sake of programming at this point, and I can't make up my mind at how I approach WeaponSoul. I should just work on each section of the battle system itself and the idea behind the setting WeaponSoul takes place in. For now I'll guess I'll just lend my skills to noobs who would like some help with their games in RPGMaker.

I still have RPGMaker 2000 and RPGMaker 2003 installed from so long ago, even though I haven't ever used them in years, simply for historical purposes. Hehe, I'm still trying to find that weirdo who called himself "Rast Blackwing", I've gotten a copy of Bob's Adventure and Dragon Destiny off some CDs from a friend (Along with RPG Maker 2000 itself) since I didn't have internet at the time, but I've yet to find the guy and I hope it's possible for me to talk to him someday.

Funny how technology can make a few years feel like a lifetime...